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tk72 发表于 2013-1-4 00:01
音色的层数,关系到音色变化的细腻程度。象牙软音源,有10层的。Korg的SV1是7层。这个是官方明确给出的数字 ...
我之前也注意到了,看到過這個帖子,都是一些專業樂手的真實體驗,而且都是同時具備這兩台鍵盤的對比辯證。一直想找時間翻譯出來給大家看,前段時間實在太忙,現在終於空閒下來了,感謝會員tk72提供的信息。今天早上做了這個帖子的一些翻譯,先發給大家看看,等我翻完全部,再另立新帖:
NORD PIANO 2 vs ROLAND RD700-NX- NP2 vs RD700-NX by bmt22033 » 01 Mar 2012, 22:00
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I'm interested in purchasing a digital piano and I was just about to pull the trigger on a Roland RD700-NX when I heard about the Nord Piano 2. I realize that it's new and just now starting to arrive in stock so I know there might not be a lot of people who have hands-on experience with it ye​​t. But if you do, or you have experience with the original NP, could you please compare the Nord pianos to the RD700-NX? I'm specifically looking for some info regarding:
我想買一台電鋼琴,正準備入手Roland RD700-NX時,就听說了NORD PIANO 2這台琴。我想它是新上市的,所以可能還沒有多少人又實際操作經驗。如果你有使用這台琴或者原來的NORD PIANO 2的經驗,是否可以對NORD PIANO 2和RD700-NX做個對比?我十分需要以下的信息:
- Quality of sound (AP is the most important to me but I'd like some decent EPs and maybe a few synths)
-音色質量(對我來說AP是至重要的,但我也想試試EPs和合成音色)
- Feel of the keybed (I thought the RD700-NX keybed was a little bit stiff and actually preferred the feel of the Yamaha CP5)
-鍵盤手感(我覺得RD700-NX鍵盤手感有點生硬,最理想的就是Yamaha CP5了)
- Quality of construction-做工
- Polyphony (I read that the Nord APs only have 40 notes (?!?) but I think I must be misunderstanding that because it seems so much less than the advertised 128 note polyphony of competing products from Roland, Yamaha, etc.)
-複音(我聽說Nord的APs僅有40/60個複音,但我覺得應該是我誤會了,因為這比其他競爭對手Roland, Yamaha等公司在廣告上宣傳的128個音符相差太遠了)。
I live in the Washington, DC area and I'm having a somewhat difficult time finding dealers who carry Nord so I h​​ave very little knowledge of their products. Thanks very much for any feedback you can give me!
我住在華盛頓DC區,暫時本地很難找到Nord的經銷商,所以我對其了解十分淺薄。十分期待您的回复。
- [b][size=5]Re: NP2 vs RD700-NXbyCee» 02 Mar 2012, 17:51[/size][/b]
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我們樂隊在遊輪上表演,我是鋼琴手,我用RolandRD700-XX(估計手誤打錯,我想他要說的是RolandRD700-GX)有些年頭了。我最近一個東家有提供RD700-NX,我彈了四個多月。我自己還有一台NORD PIANO 88,買了將近一年了,我來嘗試回答你的問題:
I'm a showband pianist on cruise ships andI've been playing Roland RD700-XX for some years now. On my last contract, theyactually had the RD700-NX and I played it for 4+ months.I also own a NP88 for about a year now, so I'll tr​​y to answer your questions:
- The AP sound terrible on the Roland. There's slight differences in timbrebetween the older models and the NX but it pretty much boils down to theydidn't really do much to improve the sound over the years. The NP88 blows theRoland away when it comes to sound. Same thing goes for the EPs on the Roland;they are the same as they were 1000 years ago. Very unrealistic and just poorsounding.
-Roland的AP音色簡直慘不忍睹。新的NX和老型號的音色差異很小,這是因為它們幾年來都沒有為音色的改進作出什麼努力。在音色這方面NORD PIANO 88完胜Roland。 Roland的EPs也是同樣的情況,真是千年不變。聲音不真實,十分破。
- Most people would prefer the Roland's keybed. I myself played the Rolandfirst and then the NP88 and I'd have to disagree. The NP88 keys are LOUD andthey make these really scary noises that sound like the keys are about tobreak, but they won' t. And when you start playing it amplified, and with otherpeople, you quickly forget about the noises and concentrate on the sound. Theaction fits me perfectly as a pianist. The keys are a little lighter than on agrand but - in my humble opinion - much better than the Roland's.
-大部分人可能會偏愛Roland的鍵盤。我本人先用的是Roland然後用NORD PIANO 88,我對此不敢苟同。 NORD PIANO 88鍵是LOUD的,它們會發出很嚇人的噪音,就好像琴鍵馬上要斷裂的那種聲音,但其實不會的。但當你接上放大器,開始跟別人一起彈琴時,你很快就會忘了那種噪音,並全神貫注於音色上。這種感覺完全符合我這個鋼琴手的心意。琴鍵比三角鋼琴稍微輕一點,但以我的愚見,比Roland好太多了。
- Build quality is amazing with Nords. They pride themselves with the label"Handmade in Stockholm, Sweden" as Apple prides themselves with the"Designed in California" label. I've been gigging the NP88 for almosta year now - which means taking the legs on and off (tilting the piano to doso), shoving the softcase in whatever transportation I could find or afford, aswell as touring when every single day I had to do and redo my setup on stage.Build quality is top notch!
-Nord的做工無比精緻。他們對“在瑞典斯德哥爾摩手工製造”引以為傲,就像Apple公司標榜自己是“加州設計”一樣。我用NORD PIANO 88巡迴演出快一年了-這可是要自己拿的,無論去哪裡我都是用手提琴包裝著琴,重量可以承受,而且每週的單數日我都不得不重新佈置舞台。做工好得沒得說!
- As far as polyphony, I never quite understood the way Nord advertise this.What's the real number? But when I play, if I can hit a low note and slide myhand all over the piano with the pedal down and don't hear any cut off notes,that's plenty enough for me. I have never encountered a situation where I wishthe NP had m​​ore notes poly.
-至於復音,我從未從Nord的廣告上面了解到這方面的資訊。你看到的實際複音數是幾多呢?不過,在我彈奏時,如果我按下一個低音音符,手滑過整個鋼琴,踩下踏板的話,是不會聽到任何斷音的,這對我來說已經足夠了。我還沒有遇到過NORD PIANO 88的複音不夠用的情況。
As a conclusion, I'd personally go with the NP88, which I did. I had 5 years onships playing mostly Roland RDs and when it came down to buying an instrumentI'd use for my own music, I went for the NP88. But obviously it would helpimmensely if you could find a place to go and sit down at the NP and play itfor yourself.結論
是,我個人推薦NORD PIANO 88,我就是這樣選擇的。我已經在船上彈了超過5年的Roland RD系列,但我自己買琴的話,我會選擇適合自己的,我選了NORD PIANO 88。最好你是能找到有這台琴的琴行,坐下來慢慢試彈,這更有助於你​​作出判斷。
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions, please let me know!希望对你有点帮助,如果有其他问题可以联系我
- [b][size=5]Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by Dave Ferris » 03 Mar 2012, 00:31[/size][/b]
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我補充幾點。我喜歡700NX的操作。我認為鋼琴音色還可以,EPs就基本上沒啥用了。我搞不明白它究竟適合家用還是演出,不過Roland這台琴是真心重。它的重量跟我的CP5 (55磅)一樣,而且前面沒有Yamaha那樣的方便搬運的挽手。基本上,Roland的重量讓它難以移動。
我只在琴行彈過700NX,在重要的*Concert Grand* Super Natural鋼琴音色中發現了一些明顯的不足之處。 Ab & A a +5和中央C上方的第6個音是metallic wank,如果你彈重音時太大力聲音會很難聽。我嘗試進去編輯音色,但是除非對Concert Grand進行重大改動,否則無法解決這個問題。
這糟糕的*wank*在另外兩個SN鋼琴音色- Studio 和Brilliant中不明顯。這種聲音簡直要殺死我了,救命。
我以前現場演出,想在Roland鋼琴音色裡去掉貝斯和鼓音色,總是出問題。但也不能說700NX也是這樣,因為我沒實際用過,700GX我就曾用過一個月左右,獨奏時音色挺好的,但是樂隊加入後聲音就幾乎消失了,被掩蓋了。而且這還是爵士四重奏而不是吵雜的搖滾樂環境。
所有這些DPs都會有缺點的,不是這樣就是那樣。如果你是一個有聲學鋼琴基礎的嚴謹的鋼琴手,我認為最好的選擇還是Nord 和CP5。
- [b][size=5]Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by drparticle » 03 Mar 2012, 00:50[/size][/b]
复制代码 我也在NP88和RD700NX之間猶豫了好久。 NP的音色打敗了我。如果你想看看RD700N的內部結構可以瀏覽這個鏈接
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre ... 700NX.html
Roland在顆粒板上安裝鍵盤基座(要仔細看圖),這似乎不太耐用。它的好處是可以減少琴鍵構造的聲學傳輸,即阻尼較好。至目前為止,我沒有找到Nord Piano的拆機圖片
祝你做出好的選擇。
- dr p
- Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by bmt22033 » 03 Mar 2012, 00:52
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Cee & Dave,
十分感謝二位的經驗分享!我真的很感激。這正是我希望能找到的信息。
Cee –如果可以,對於你的話我有點疑問,是否可幫忙解答? :
"The NP88 keys are LOUD and they make these really scary noises that sound like the keys are about to break, but they won't."
“NP88鍵是LOUD的,它們會發出很嚇人的噪音,就好像琴鍵馬上要斷裂的那種聲音,但其實不會的。”
這聽起來很嚇人的!有多大聲呢?我只在家練琴而已,而且眼下我幾乎都用耳機(Denon AH-D7000或Ultrasone Pro 900) ,因為很多時候我只在晚上等孩子睡著了才有時間玩琴。 Nord的這個聲音在這種情況下是否可以令人接受?
Thanks again!
再次感謝!
- [b][size=5]Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by bmt22033 » 03 Mar 2012, 01:00[/size][/b]
复制代码 drparticle-也感謝你的信息!我想你已經回答了我對Cee提出的關於鍵盤噪聲的疑問。在這一點上,我傾向於在NP2,但我掏錢買之前要親耳聽聽這噪聲,看是否值得付出這麼多錢。我不知道鍵座的噪音是不是NP的一個常見問題,是否會在NP2獲得解決?
- [b][size=5]Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by drparticle » 03 Mar 2012, 01:31[/size][/b]
复制代码 正如我在另一篇文章中說過的一樣,我在這裡重新說明一下:
數碼鋼琴的鍵座噪音似乎是我測試過的所有琴的通病。甚至在我第一次在工作室用NP時還出了點差錯。玩了一個星期NP,鍵座噪音並沒有對我造成困擾,而且我非常喜歡它的鋼琴音色和可玩性。
玩得開心!
- dr p
Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX
bmt22033寫到:“drparticle-也感謝你提供的信息!我想你已經回答了我對Cee提出的關於鍵盤噪聲的疑問。在這一點上,我傾向於在NP2,但我掏錢買之前要親耳聽聽這噪聲,看是否值得付出這麼多錢。我不知道鍵座的噪音是不是NP的一個常見問題,是否會在NP2獲得解決?”
bmt22033-請查閱私信..
- Re: NP2 vs RD700-NX by Cee » 03 Mar 2012, 19:47
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呵呵,如果你用耳機,而孩子睡在同一個房間的話,當然會吵醒他們
但總體來說,噪音當然也是由你的擊鍵力度決定的…我無法說清楚噪音有多大聲,你只能自己試試了。
我個人不覺得這是一個致命弱點。
- Re: NP2 vs RD700-NXby JacksonP » 03 Mar 2012, 23:08
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在改用Nord之前,我用Rolands (RD系列)十年有多了。對於這兩個牌子,我和帖子裡的其他人抱有同樣的想法:Nord的音色無疑是更好的,但它有惱人的鍵座噪音。琴鍵手感也稍微有點輕,而且它的力度響應還有待改進。 Roland的手感不錯,但是音色是有問題的,尤其是在舞台上。它非常渾濁,而且修正十分困難甚至不可能,有時聽起來很“不自然”或者數碼感。我很喜歡Nord主要是因為它無需調整EQ。比如在聲學條件下,Bright Gran自然會打破混音。
關於Roland rd 700GX還有點問題:很難進行快速重複操作。也許是動作過於緩慢。我想Nord在這方面比它強。我不清楚這個問題在NX裡有沒有得到改善,不過順便說下,他使用和V-piano一樣的鍵座。
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