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音符之声扩展包豪华版V6重磅发布: s670 770 970 775 975 sx700 sx900 Genos Tyros5
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看到把中国键盘产品评为垃圾的洋贴,无奈加郁闷。

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是harmony central的贴。这小子是瑞典人,在一个店铺里看到了一台中国产的键盘,和一台电钢。说质量乏善可陈的同时,也冷嘲热讽的稍带出了对中国产品的偏见,居然贴子标题就叫“Chinese Nasties”。看了后,很受伤,本想写个贴子告诉他中国有质量过硬的品牌。想想也许是敏感了,小子言辞激烈些,把我们这点国货说得垃圾都不如,但也算就事论事吧。下面那个链接有图片,上面的电钢眼熟,大家看是不是武汉出的那个牌子?

Chinese nasties
Allright, so at this music store i spied something i first dismissed at yet another new low-end Casio keyboard standing hidden in a corner. But, just by chance i noticed that it wasn't a Casio! It was a no-name keyboard, obviously made in China as all such horrible things are, whose box looked very conviningly like a recent Casio model!  

Upon closer look though, it lacked a brand name and all the lettering on it was rather irregularly spaced, not to mention the many spelling errors. A logo on the right said "MIDI" just like the classic General Midi logo, but without the first word. Fortunately for my curiosity, it was plugged in and i turned it on, to be greeted by the most inept "piano sample" i've ever heard!  

The sounds from this thing could easily belong among the worst sample-based low end toy keyboards from 15 years ago, but for all their roughness, those at least had USABLE sounds. The waveforms on this rip-off sound like out of tune pianos recorded with built-in tape recorder mics, ineptly played wind instruments, improperly looped and with ridiculous slow attacks and short decay. A fair amount of the patches were made from the same ear-numbing samples with just very slightly different envelopes. Many were even totally out of tune between the different registers-and need i add-ridiculous differences in timbre.  

All this played through speakers the size and range of those in telephone recievers, but of course placed in larger holes, below a large grille for that true Casio-like impression. After all, if you have to imitate something, you gotta choose the best of the best  

Needless to add, the keys themselves were the worst and most unstable such echanism i've ever touched, far below what i even thought were humanly possible. It was only after quite a while that i realized it was actually touch sensitive, it was only that the "max" level was so low that you really need to have a feather-light touch to achieve any dynamic variation. But of course, it would break soon anyway if you didn't  

Then, there's the auto accompaniement. You figure out this one yourself, it wasn't pretty. The pitch-bender was very hard to move, i couldn't even get it to move out of center position first. But best of all, it had that large blue display just like a Casio!

All for just $300!

Same bloody price as the Casio it's supposed to look like! Man, they really believe in competition on equal terms  

Anyway, i thought it was all over and well when i saw another unit a few feet away that simply said "Digital Piano" on it. It turned out to be another genius product from the same nameless hit-and-run company, complete as all digital pianos should be, with wooden sides and legs, 88 keys, and not too many buttons on the silvery panel. It even boasted that it had a stereo sampled piano, something we know that you just can't go wrong with.

Well, on power on it turned out to have yet another murky, clanky, disgustingly out of tune, poorly looped and not-quite-identifiable as a piano sound, with similar undersized speakers and if possible, even worse key action that makes the MIDI-only keyboards sold at computer stores seem like something to aspire too!

The polyphony was absolutely maximum 16, but it was so poorly programmed that due to some strange "conflicts" it sounded more like four. Also, it had even fewer patches than the "Casio" model, and some of them were the exact same as others! But at least it came at a great price... SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS



Well, if those two atrocities to keyboard-ism was all there ever was, i could have let it pass and simply let the customers make their own choice. The frree market, after all, never lets any overpriced and inferior products keep on getting made and sold for long *crosses fingers* but i noticed the store's own advertising poster, which bragged about their "new line of affordable high quality keyboards", complete with pictures of the same two that i had just tried!

So since i knew the ones who worked there a bit and thought of them to be at least a little less than complete and utter crooks, i asked what those things came from and what they were gonna do with them. He snorted... "Oh yes, those Chinese ones..."

He basically explained that they were included as part of a deal with an importer, when they ordered a batch of Chinese guitars and amplifiers. The importer suggested that they should stock some of their Chinese-made keyboards as well, and the store put a price tag with a picture of it in their ad, before they had actually gotten on of them, and knew what they were. I don't know if they're even actually gonna try to sell the ones they've got now, but i hope for gods sake noone actually buys them for that price  

Now i'm curious if anyone here has seen any similar chinese nasties, or perhaps the exact same models, as they are pictured on the site below:

http://www.mamut.com/homepages/Sweden/1/18/ludwigs/subdet16.htm

[ Last edited by ChinaMoBro on 2005-12-2 at 08:33 ]
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发表于 2005-12-2 08:31 | 显示全部楼层
下面的网址不全,中间那个地址:Swed。。。GS,不好使
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发表于 2005-12-2 09:03 | 显示全部楼层
这个小子真丫的嚣张,不过也从另一个侧面反映了国货的质量问题,你没有高质量的产品,就不会有地位,现在的国产电子琴还是不要出口的好,不然,真是把国货国人的面子都丢尽了。。。。。。。
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发表于 2005-12-2 09:41 | 显示全部楼层
人家说的也没什么过分的~ 每每弹过国字号电钢和电子琴,我也气的想骂人;不用对比那些高档合成器、电钢,就算你弹过PX300,DGX200,PSR550之类的中低端键盘(偶并不是有意贬低这些乐器,但就价格而言)你也会受不了这些国产垃圾
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发表于 2005-12-2 11:31 | 显示全部楼层
这有什么可郁闷的,连CASIO的PX300在我们中国人中不也有人说是垃圾吗。
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发表于 2005-12-2 12:04 | 显示全部楼层
原贴由 田汉 发表于 2005-12-2 11:31 AM:
这有什么可郁闷的,连CASIO的PX300在我们中国人中不也有人说是垃圾吗。

文中也确实有多处提到CASIO。
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发表于 2005-12-2 12:28 | 显示全部楼层
就象季风说的,你哪怕弹过PX300那种琴都会觉得国产货是恐怖的。自己的技术不行,被人骂很正常。知耻而后勇才是正确的。中国现在太浮躁了。
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发表于 2005-12-2 12:29 | 显示全部楼层
咋们国家的东西确实不怎么样~~~~
人家还是就事论事~~~~~
要做的是我们国家的民族产业~~~~~
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发表于 2005-12-2 12:35 | 显示全部楼层
想追赶国外的先进水平的确挺难----我这么想。
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发表于 2005-12-2 14:40 | 显示全部楼层
电子乐器本来就效仿国外乐器,当然不可能在短期内就有高水准的生产线呀,想想电子琴的历史,在国内也不是很长时间吧?国产的在近期内应该是只能生产玩具级别的琴了,如果要生产出专业级别的,可能近短期内还没有这个能力哦
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发表于 2005-12-2 15:02 | 显示全部楼层
中国的神州飞船都可以在太空中自由翱翔别说造几样电子乐器了,只是如果我们造出了好东西也卖他个一两万甚至三四万,不知道哪位大侠愿意出此巨资来购买,就算造出的东西不比其他大品牌的差甚至比那些大品牌的好,估计大多数人在相同的价位下还是会买洋货的,那国货厂家还不得赔死,市场造就了厂家商家的生产营销策略,我们只生产便宜的乐器,价格便宜就别指望有多好.............
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发表于 2005-12-2 16:00 | 显示全部楼层
说的得对啊,要开发也要针对市场啊,毕竟是娱乐性的东西,不值得开发。。。。
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发表于 2005-12-2 17:22 | 显示全部楼层
要想造出顶级乐器也不是没有可能~ 只要中央红头文件一下来,各地领导一重视,造琴成为衡量领导政绩的一项重要指标~ 那么 我敢说,3年内,我们就能造出完全超越Motif ES  Triton Extreme Fantom X .....而且绝不会在民用市场出现的乐器 哈哈
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发表于 2005-12-2 23:50 | 显示全部楼层
原贴由 音乐奴隶 发表于 2005-12-2 12:35:
想追赶国外的先进水平的确挺难----我这么想。

说难其实不难,就电子电路说,主要是引进技术;就键盘、外壳说,无非是个精细加工技术。中国工人阶级很聪明的。问题出在老板的管理和态度要求上。。
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发表于 2006-1-29 10:53 | 显示全部楼层
感叹很多`````````````
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发表于 2006-1-29 12:01 | 显示全部楼层
双恨记:

恨那个冷嘲热讽的瑞典GUY!
对我们的一些产品也是恨铁不成钢!
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发表于 2006-2-4 12:56 | 显示全部楼层
我感觉我们的乐器芯片是日本扔给我们的。由不懂音乐的人去生产,开发,肯定没有好东东。
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发表于 2006-2-4 16:26 | 显示全部楼层
这样的看的多了
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发表于 2006-2-4 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 7879 于 2005-12-2 15:02 发表
中国的神州飞船都可以在太空中自由翱翔别说造几样电子乐器了,只是如果我们造出了好东西也卖他个一两万甚至三四万,不知道哪位大侠愿意出此巨资来购买,就算造出的东西不比其他大品牌的差甚至比那些大品牌的好,估 ...


非也非也   “神州”不是你我制造的,谁也搞不清里面究竟有几样零件是国产的。但有一点可以确定的是:中国2005年才刚刚能制造出自己的电视机里的一个核心部件(绝非本人胡诌哦,央视采访专家时说的)

我们国家现在最值得自豪的品牌是什么? 谁知道? 告诉大家吧:是名为“无限极”的保健品! 这种保健品目前被评为世界保健产品中最卓越的!比TMD的“安利”强过N倍。但我们国家的电子产品要想赶超国外,哎~~  难哦!
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